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Should I invest in a Practice pad to practice paradiddles and watnot?
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 03:52 AM
Lately I've been thinking of getting new crash cymbals for my drum set and was browsing the online stores (Guitar Center, Sam Ash). As I was looking thru I saw types like "rock" crash, "fast" crash, and "medium thin" crash. It confused me as I really didn't know what to get. Now I want to know what they are. Will anyone please help me out by explaining to me these different types of cymbals? I would really appreciate it.
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Should I invest in a Practice pad to practice paradiddles and watnot?
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Should I invest in a Practice pad to practice paradiddles and watnot?
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 07:46 AM
Lately I've been thinking of getting new crash cymbals for my drum set and was browsing the online stores (Guitar Center, Sam Ash). As I was looking thru I saw types like "rock" crash, "fast" crash, and "medium thin" crash. It confused me as I really didn't know what to get. Now I want to know what they are. Will anyone please help me out by explaining to me these different types of cymbals? I would really appreciate it.
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Should I invest in a Practice pad to practice paradiddles and watnot?
Yes, on the pad.
I would suggest you go to GC or wherever and try out some of the cymbals, see which ones you like the sound of.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:32 AM
I second the practice pad idea, you can take it anywhere. Try getting one that you can mount on a stand to make it super versatile. Probably consider investing in a metronome too, it and the pad make a perfect couple.
Cymbals are a little trickier. The best thing you can do is go to an actual retail shop and ask very nicely to try out whatever cymbals they have in stock. Cymbals vary HUGELY in tone and resonance, you just have to hear them before you can make a decision you're happy with. It's a very personal thing, because your cymbals will basically define your "sound" for as long as you have them.
Since cymbals can be very expensive (and most times you really do get what you pay for), it's often a good idea to buy just one or two at a time, building up your collection as you go. Good tip for those with a budget. Although probably the most expensive, a good set of hi-hats is a must (because you'll probably end up hitting them more than anything else on your drum set), so start from there.
I hope that helps!
Cymbals are a little trickier. The best thing you can do is go to an actual retail shop and ask very nicely to try out whatever cymbals they have in stock. Cymbals vary HUGELY in tone and resonance, you just have to hear them before you can make a decision you're happy with. It's a very personal thing, because your cymbals will basically define your "sound" for as long as you have them.
Since cymbals can be very expensive (and most times you really do get what you pay for), it's often a good idea to buy just one or two at a time, building up your collection as you go. Good tip for those with a budget. Although probably the most expensive, a good set of hi-hats is a must (because you'll probably end up hitting them more than anything else on your drum set), so start from there.
I hope that helps!
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:33 AM
Yes to the practice pad. I spent an hour on a pad that straps to my leg while waiting to pick someone up yesterday and it was mostly paradiddles, double strokes and triplets. SOme rudiments take a while to get on to so anyway you can tap them out is a help.
some cymbal web sites let you hear each cymbal but really you have to hit them to know what pleases your ear.
some cymbal web sites let you hear each cymbal but really you have to hit them to know what pleases your ear.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 12:07 PM
yes to practice pad
each cymbal has it's own unique sound. Like a fast crash is supposed to get it's sound out there fast and then have a very short decay.
a projection crash is supposed to have more power and body and a decent decay.. it goes on and on.
Like everyone else I suggest you go to the store and try them out, it's really the best way, but to get some kind of idea of what the various types sound before you get to the store you can go to the websites and see a description and hear a sound byte. go to zildjian.com for and example and you can see the cymbal, "hear" the cymbal and read what it's supposed to do.
good luck.. let us know what you buy.
each cymbal has it's own unique sound. Like a fast crash is supposed to get it's sound out there fast and then have a very short decay.
a projection crash is supposed to have more power and body and a decent decay.. it goes on and on.
Like everyone else I suggest you go to the store and try them out, it's really the best way, but to get some kind of idea of what the various types sound before you get to the store you can go to the websites and see a description and hear a sound byte. go to zildjian.com for and example and you can see the cymbal, "hear" the cymbal and read what it's supposed to do.
good luck.. let us know what you buy.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 07:39 PM
Welcome to OnLineDrummer (OLD) and welcome to the "Drummunity" DTDrummer.
I too am along with everyone...yes on the practice pad.
As for the cymblas and your questions, alot of the difference is found not only in the pitch (or timbre) of the cymbal, it also has to do with the initial stroke and to when the sound generated dissipates.
For example :
A fast crash is going to be just that. It's going to have a great "crash", but it's decay will be short. That means it won't "ring out" that long (for a lack of better description).
A projection crash is going to be a little more "explosive". It's going to have a little more volume, it's going to be cutting (cut through the other instruments), and it's decay is going to be a little longer than that of the Fast Crash.
As far as "medium thin", "thin", or "heavy" are concerned, that has to do with the pitch and weight of the cymbal. There are many different companies that make cymbals and each produce cymbal series with different weights. Lighter (thinner) cymbals tend to have a more bright or delicate sound than a heavier cymbal. What it boils right down to, are your personal tastes and the sound you are looking for.
Then there are "Cast" and "Sheet" cymbals. Cast cymbals are poured. Sheet cymbals are stamped out. Here's a quote off the Zildjian web site :
- Cast Bronze cymbals are individually poured and cast from raw molten metal.
- Each casting is cooled and sorted by weight for each cymbal model.
- Castings are then put through a complex sequence of heating, rolling, shaping, hammering, and lathing techniques unique to each cymbal range.
- Cast Bronze cymbals have a rich, full-bodied sound that improves with age.
- They also have greater projection, clarity and durability than any other cymbals.
- Zildjian cast cymbals are made from the Zildjian secret alloy, which is comprised of 80% copper, 20% tin, and traces of silver.
SHEET:
- Sheet Bronze cymbals begin as pre-formed disks cut from metal with uniform thickness.
- Precision hammering and shaping pummels cymbal discs, loosening the alloy's molecular structure and freeing up its distinctive tone.
- Sheet Bronze cymbals have a very fast response with a quick decay.
- They have excellent durability and a consistent sound within each respective model.
- Affordably priced, Sheet Bronze cymbals are an ideal first cymbal choice.
As far as "Rock", Jazz", "Metal", or whatever genre of music that is attached to the series of cymbal, that is the "suggested" genera for it to be used for. BUT, that doesn't mean that's the ONLY genera you can use it for. A cymbal is just as versatile as the drummer. You can use almost any cymbal for any genera of music. As said above, it's all up to you, your ears, your personal tastes, and what sounds best for you. Try as many as you can before you buy. Try, try, try, and try some more until you find the one that your ears and heart like.
I hope that you have found this helpful. If you ever have any questions, never hesitate to ask. We're all about helping each other out here. This is not just a forum, it's a drumming family and we all stick together and help each other out.
Take care and we look forward to seeing you around the forum.
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I too am along with everyone...yes on the practice pad.
As for the cymblas and your questions, alot of the difference is found not only in the pitch (or timbre) of the cymbal, it also has to do with the initial stroke and to when the sound generated dissipates.
For example :
A fast crash is going to be just that. It's going to have a great "crash", but it's decay will be short. That means it won't "ring out" that long (for a lack of better description).
A projection crash is going to be a little more "explosive". It's going to have a little more volume, it's going to be cutting (cut through the other instruments), and it's decay is going to be a little longer than that of the Fast Crash.
As far as "medium thin", "thin", or "heavy" are concerned, that has to do with the pitch and weight of the cymbal. There are many different companies that make cymbals and each produce cymbal series with different weights. Lighter (thinner) cymbals tend to have a more bright or delicate sound than a heavier cymbal. What it boils right down to, are your personal tastes and the sound you are looking for.
Then there are "Cast" and "Sheet" cymbals. Cast cymbals are poured. Sheet cymbals are stamped out. Here's a quote off the Zildjian web site :
CAST:
- Cast Bronze cymbals are individually poured and cast from raw molten metal.
- Each casting is cooled and sorted by weight for each cymbal model.
- Castings are then put through a complex sequence of heating, rolling, shaping, hammering, and lathing techniques unique to each cymbal range.
- Cast Bronze cymbals have a rich, full-bodied sound that improves with age.
- They also have greater projection, clarity and durability than any other cymbals.
- Zildjian cast cymbals are made from the Zildjian secret alloy, which is comprised of 80% copper, 20% tin, and traces of silver.
SHEET:
- Sheet Bronze cymbals begin as pre-formed disks cut from metal with uniform thickness.
- Precision hammering and shaping pummels cymbal discs, loosening the alloy's molecular structure and freeing up its distinctive tone.
- Sheet Bronze cymbals have a very fast response with a quick decay.
- They have excellent durability and a consistent sound within each respective model.
- Affordably priced, Sheet Bronze cymbals are an ideal first cymbal choice.
As far as "Rock", Jazz", "Metal", or whatever genre of music that is attached to the series of cymbal, that is the "suggested" genera for it to be used for. BUT, that doesn't mean that's the ONLY genera you can use it for. A cymbal is just as versatile as the drummer. You can use almost any cymbal for any genera of music. As said above, it's all up to you, your ears, your personal tastes, and what sounds best for you. Try as many as you can before you buy. Try, try, try, and try some more until you find the one that your ears and heart like.
I hope that you have found this helpful. If you ever have any questions, never hesitate to ask. We're all about helping each other out here. This is not just a forum, it's a drumming family and we all stick together and help each other out.
Take care and we look forward to seeing you around the forum.
Anyone else...
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:20 PM
Lately I've been thinking of getting new crash cymbals for my drum set and was browsing the online stores (Guitar Center, Sam Ash). As I was looking thru I saw types like "rock" crash, "fast" crash, and "medium thin" crash. It confused me as I really didn't know what to get. Now I want to know what they are. Will anyone please help me out by explaining to me these different types of cymbals? I would really appreciate it.
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Should I invest in a Practice pad to practice paradiddles and watnot?
It wasn't too long ago that I was asking the same questions. I'll tell you what I've learned in the last few years that might make a little more sense to someone in your shoes:
- Good cymbals sound good.
- Bad cymbals don't.
Beyond that, you are basically buying variations of good and bad. I use Paste 2002's. They are about $200 a cymbal and really have a great, clean, shimering sound. I also have some practice cymbals that I bought for about $75 a piece. They sound like garbage can lids compared to the 2002's. I have a friend that has a set of Zildian A Customs that are about the same price range as mine, sound a bit different than mine, but sound every bit as good.
The bottom line is, you really have to just try them out and see what sounds good to you. When I got mine, I literally went to Guitar Center and said, "this is what I can afford, this is the type of music I play, will you pick out some cymbals for me." We hit every cymbal in the room and I settled on a 16" medium crash, and 18" crash, and a 20" ride, all Paste 2002.
So far the only complaint I have is that they are expenisve and break easily. I now only use them for band practice and shows, and I have a cheap practice set that I use when I practice on my own.
On a side note, I have a Zildian ZBT 16" crash that I bought for about $80. I've got to say, it doesn't sound as nice as my 2002, for for $100 less, it ain't bad.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:20 PM
Welcome to OnLineDrummer (OLD) and welcome to the "Drummunity" DTDrummer.
I hope that you have found this helpful. If you ever have any questions, never hesitate to ask. We're all about helping each other out here. This is not just a forum, it's a drumming family and we all stick together and help each other out.
Take care and we look forward to seeing you around the forum.
Nicely put Chase, +1 from me.
